Group and Phase Velocity

Watch a wave packet closely and a quiet scandal appears: the thing you would point to as "the wave" — the hump, the pulse, the place where the action is — does not necessarily move at the same speed as the ripples inside it. Ocean surfers know it: paddle after a set of swells and individual crests keep sliding forward through the group, being born at the back and dying at the front. Now attach a wave to an electron, as de Broglie taught us to, and the scandal becomes a crisis. A single matter wave ei(kx−ωt)e^{i(kx-\omega t)} has crests that move at ℏk/2m\hbar k/2m — half the speed of the particle it supposedly describes. Worse, the relativistic version has crests that outrun light. If the wave is the particle, which speed is the particle's? This article untangles the two velocities at the heart of the answer. The phase velocity vp=ω/kv_p = \omega/k is the speed of one crest of one pure sinusoid. The group velocity vg=dω/dkv_g=d\omega/dk gives the speed of the envelope for a narrow-band wave packet — the modulation that carries the wave's localized structure, and for a quantum wave packet, the region where the probability is concentrated. We will build the distinction the honest way, out of the simplest possible packet: two waves beating against each other. That one construction, plus the free particle's dispersion relation ω=ℏk2/2m\omega = \hbar k^2/2m, delivers the punchline that saves the whole matter-wave programme: the envelope moves at exactly p/mp/m, the classical velocity. This is the concept-register introduction. The full quantitative machinery — the stationary-phase proof, the energy-zero subtlety, the relativistic identity — lives one chapter ahead in Group Velocity versus Phase Velocity.

Key takeaways
  • A single sinusoid ei(kx−ωt)e^{i(kx-\omega t)} has one speed, the phase velocity vp=ω/kv_p = \omega/k — the speed of its crests. Nothing localized travels at vpv_p, because a pure plane wave is the same everywhere.
  • Superpose just two waves with nearby (k,ω)(k, \omega) and an envelope appears. The envelope moves at Δω/Δk\Delta\omega/\Delta k — the discrete ancestor of the group velocity vg=dω/dkv_g = d\omega/dk.
  • For a nonrelativistic free quantum particle, ω=ℏk2/2m\omega=\hbar k^2/2m, so vp=ℏk/2mv_p=\hbar k/2m but vg=ℏk/m=p/mv_g=\hbar k/m=p/m: the envelope moves at the classical particle velocity, while the factor-of-two difference in crest speed is harmless.
  • Whether crests outrun the group or trail it depends only on the dispersion relation: light in vacuum has vg=vpv_g = v_p, matter waves have vg=2vpv_g = 2v_p, deep-water waves have vg=vp/2v_g = v_p/2.
  • For a localized quantum wave packet, detectors respond to the packet's probability distribution, which propagates with the group velocity vgv_g. The phase velocity, even when it exceeds cc, does not carry information or a signal.
  • Key idea: a localized particle is a packet of plane waves; its observable motion is the group velocity vg=dω/dk=p/mv_g = d\omega/dk = p/m of the envelope, not the phase velocity vp=ω/kv_p = \omega/k of the underlying oscillations.

Where this lives today

Group-velocity engineering is a working technology. Optical fibres carry data as pulse envelopes, and the fibre's group-velocity dispersion — the curvature of ω(k)\omega(k), the same quantity that spreads quantum packets in Wave Packet Spreading and Dispersion — is what smears adjacent bits into each other; long-haul links interleave fibre segments with opposite dispersion so the smearing of one is undone by the next. At the exotic end, Lene Hau's 1999 experiment used electromagnetically induced transparency in an ultracold sodium cloud to reduce the group velocity of a light pulse to about 17 m/s17\,\mathrm{m/s}. The carrier still oscillates at optical frequency while the pulse envelope propagates much more slowly. In condensed-matter physics the concept is the definition of how electrons move: a Bloch electron in a crystal can be described by a wave packet of Bloch states, and its semiclassical group velocity is vg=1ℏ∂E∂kv_g=\frac{1}{\hbar}\frac{\partial E}{\partial k}, read directly from the band structure mapped in semiconductor experiments. When a band flattens, vg→0v_g\to0 — the single-particle group velocity is strongly reduced, interactions can become more important, and flat-band systems such as magic-angle twisted bilayer graphene can exhibit superconductivity. These examples are all applications of the tangent-versus-chord distinction developed in this article.

The physical picture

Take two tuning forks a few hertz apart and strike them together. You hear the average pitch — the carrier — swelling and fading at the difference frequency: beats. Now give the sound a direction of travel and ask where the loud spots go. The individual pressure crests move at one speed; the loud-soft pattern that organizes them moves at another. That pattern is the envelope, and its speed is set not by ω\omega or kk separately but by how ω\omega changes with kk.

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Two waves make a beat — the envelope is a new object with its own speed
wave 1: k₁, ω₁ wave 2: k₂ = k₁ + Δk, ω₂ = ω₁ + Δω sum: fast carrier inside a slow envelope envelope hump moves at Δω/Δk carrier crest moves at ω̄/k̄

The figure is the whole subject in one picture. Two pure waves, each with a perfectly definite speed, add up to something with two speeds: a fast internal wiggle (the carrier, moving at essentially the average phase velocity) and a slow breathing pattern (the envelope, moving at the ratio of the differences, Δω/Δk\Delta\omega/\Delta k). Neither wave alone has an envelope. The envelope is an interference object — it exists only because the components slide in and out of step, and it therefore moves at the speed with which the regions of constructive interference move. Which of the two speeds wins depends entirely on the medium's dispersion relation ω(k)\omega(k) — the rule that tells each wavelength what frequency, and hence what crest speed, it gets. Three worlds cover almost everything you will meet:

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Three dispersion worlds — where the envelope outruns the crests, matches them, or trails them.
light in vacuum ω = ck crests envelope v_g = v_p — packets keep shape free matter wave ω = ħk²/2m crests envelope v_g = 2v_p — envelope wins deep-water swell ω = √(gk) crests envelope v_g = v_p/2 — crests win the ratio v_g : v_p is set entirely by the shape of ω(k)

Matter waves sit in the middle panel: for a nonrelativistic free particle, the envelope — the particle's localized packet — genuinely outruns its own crests. Each phase crest moves at half the packet speed, so crests appear at the rear of the packet, sweep through it, and eventually disappear at the front. Once you accept that only the envelope is stuff, all the paradoxes below become bookkeeping.

The two speeds, defined

Start with the object that has only one speed. A single sinusoidal component of wavenumber kk and angular frequency ω\omega has crests wherever its phase kx−ωtkx - \omega t is a multiple of 2π2\pi; following one crest means holding that phase constant, and differentiating kx−ωt=constkx - \omega t = \text{const} gives the crest's velocity.

vp=ωk(1)v_p = \frac{\omega}{k} \qquad (1)

where: vpv_p is the phase velocity, the speed of a constant-phase point of a single pure sinusoid; ω\omega is its angular frequency; and kk is its wavenumber. A pure sinusoid extends throughout space, so vpv_p describes the motion of a phase pattern rather than the arrival of a localized object. A localized wave packet requires many components, and then a second characteristic velocity appears. For a superposition sharply concentrated near a central wavenumber k0k_0, the envelope moves at the rate at which the angular frequency changes with wavenumber near k0k_0.

vg=dωdk∣k0(2)v_g = \left.\frac{d\omega}{dk}\right|_{k_0} \qquad (2)

where: vgv_g — the group velocity, the speed of the interference envelope; k0k_0 — the central wavenumber of the packet. Geometrically, vpv_p is the slope of the chord from the origin to the point (k0,ω0)(k_0,\omega_0) on the dispersion curve, while vgv_g is the slope of the tangent there. The two agree only when the curve is a straight line through the origin — the dispersionless case. Which formula answers which question:

you askusewhy
how fast does one crest of one component slidevp=ω/kv_p = \omega/kphase is a per-component property
how fast does the lump of probability travelvg=dω/dkv_g = d\omega/dkthe envelope is an interference object
how fast does a detector see the particle arrivevgv_gdetectors respond to ∣ψ∣2\lvert\psi\rvert^2, which lives in the envelope
does the packet hold its shapecurvature d2ω/dk2d^2\omega/dk^2dispersion beyond first order — see Wave Packet Spreading and Dispersion
Derivation AThe beat of two waves — an envelope is born with its own velocity

We derive the group velocity from the simplest packet that exists: exactly two plane waves with neighbouring wavenumbers and frequencies. The strategy is a single trigonometric factorization — writing the sum as a slow modulation multiplying a fast carrier — and then reading each factor's speed directly off its phase. This discrete route is worth owning because nothing is hidden in it: no integrals, no approximations, and the continuum formula vg=dω/dkv_g = d\omega/dk appears as the obvious limit. Watch one subtlety: for the quadratic dispersion of matter waves the result is not merely approximate but exact, with the envelope moving at the mean of the two group velocities.

Step 1. Superpose two equal-amplitude waves, labelling them symmetrically about the mean: k1,2=kˉ±12Δkk_{1,2} = \bar{k} \pm \tfrac{1}{2}\Delta k and ω1,2=ωˉ±12Δω\omega_{1,2} = \bar{\omega} \pm \tfrac{1}{2}\Delta\omega:

ψ(x,t)=ei(k1x−ω1t)+ei(k2x−ω2t)\psi(x,t) = e^{i(k_1 x - \omega_1 t)} + e^{i(k_2 x - \omega_2 t)}

Why symmetric labels: they make the factorization drop out in one line — the average rides the carrier, the difference rides the envelope.

Step 2. Factor out the mean phase. The two exponentials share ei(kˉx−ωˉt)e^{i(\bar{k}x - \bar{\omega}t)}, and what remains is a cosine of half the difference phase:

ψ(x,t)=2cos⁡ ⁣(12(Δk x−Δω t)) ei(kˉx−ωˉt)\psi(x,t) = 2\cos\!\left(\tfrac{1}{2}\left(\Delta k\, x - \Delta\omega\, t\right)\right)\, e^{i(\bar{k}x - \bar{\omega}t)}

Why this is the whole physics: the sum of two waves with one speed each has become a product of two travelling patterns with different speeds — the carrier and the envelope are now separate factors you can track separately.

Step 3. Read off the two velocities from the two phases. The carrier factor repeats when kˉx−ωˉt\bar{k}x - \bar{\omega}t is constant, so its crests move at ωˉ/kˉ≈vp\bar{\omega}/\bar{k} \approx v_p. The cosine envelope holds its value when Δk x−Δω t\Delta k\,x - \Delta\omega\,t is constant, so every hump and every node of the modulation moves at

venv=ΔωΔkv_{\text{env}} = \frac{\Delta\omega}{\Delta k}

Step 4. Take the continuum limit. Let the two wavenumbers approach each other, Δk→0\Delta k \to 0: the difference quotient becomes the derivative, venv→dω/dk=vgv_{\text{env}} \to d\omega/dk = v_g. A realistic narrow-band packet is a continuous superposition over a range of nearby kk values, and each neighbouring pair within the band contributes the same beat construction. Why the quadratic case is exact: for ω=ℏk2/2m\omega = \hbar k^2/2m the difference quotient evaluates to Δω/Δk=ℏ(k1+k2)/2m\Delta\omega/\Delta k = \hbar(k_1 + k_2)/2m — precisely the group velocity at the mean wavenumber, with no error at any finite Δk\Delta k.

What the Schrödinger equation says

The beat construction works for any waves. To make it quantum mechanics we need the dispersion relation that matter waves obey, and that is not a choice — it is dictated by the wave equation itself, the law introduced in The Time-Dependent Schrödinger Equation. Insert a trial plane wave ψ=ei(kx−ωt)\psi = e^{i(kx - \omega t)} into the free equation iℏ ∂tψ=−ℏ22m ∂x2ψi\hbar\,\partial_t\psi = -\tfrac{\hbar^2}{2m}\,\partial_x^2\psi and each derivative just multiplies: the left side produces ℏω\hbar\omega, the right side ℏ2k2/2m\hbar^2k^2/2m. The wave solves the equation only if

ω(k)=ℏk22m(3)\omega(k) = \frac{\hbar k^2}{2m} \qquad (3)

where: ω(k)\omega(k) — the frequency assigned to wavenumber kk; mm — the particle's mass. Multiply by ℏ\hbar and this is just E=p2/2mE = p^2/2m wearing wave clothing (with E=ℏωE = \hbar\omega from Planck and p=ℏkp = \hbar k from de Broglie Matter Waves). The crucial feature is the square: ω\omega grows faster than kk, the curve bends upward, and chord and tangent slopes must differ. Matter waves are irreducibly dispersive.

Go deeper · Derivation B · 1 minThe free particle's two speeds — and the factor of two that saves de Broglie
Derivation BThe free particle's two speeds — and the factor of two that saves de Broglie

We compute both velocities for a free quantum particle directly from the dispersion relation (3) and confirm the claim the whole chapter has been building toward: the envelope of a matter-wave packet moves at exactly the classical particle velocity. The calculation is two derivatives long; the payoff is conceptual. Keep your eye on the factor of two — it is not an error to be explained away but the signature of a curved dispersion relation, and it lands on the harmless velocity.

Step 1. Phase velocity — divide by kk:

vp=ωk=ℏk2m=p2m=vclassical2v_p = \frac{\omega}{k} = \frac{\hbar k}{2m} = \frac{p}{2m} = \frac{v_{\text{classical}}}{2}

Why this looked like a disaster: taken as "the particle's speed," it is off by half. But no measurement rides a single crest — a pure plane wave is featureless, the same everywhere, with nothing localized to time.

Step 2. Group velocity — differentiate:

vg=dωdk=ℏkm=pm=vclassicalv_g = \frac{d\omega}{dk} = \frac{\hbar k}{m} = \frac{p}{m} = v_{\text{classical}}

Why this is the rescue: the localized probability distribution — what a detector samples — moves at the Newtonian velocity vv. The wave description and the particle description agree about everything observable.

Step 3. Note the consistency with averages. A packet built symmetrically around k0k_0 carries mean momentum ⟨p⟩=ℏk0\langle p\rangle = \hbar k_0, so vg=ℏk0/m=⟨p⟩/mv_g = \hbar k_0/m = \langle p\rangle/m — which is precisely the statement d⟨x⟩/dt=⟨p⟩/md\langle x\rangle/dt = \langle p\rangle/m derived as an operator theorem in Momentum Operator. The beat picture and the Ehrenfest picture are two views of one fact. Why we stop here: the phase velocity has a further embarrassment — it changes if you shift the zero of potential energy, while vgv_g does not. That energy-zero test, and the stationary-phase machinery behind it, are worked in full in Group Velocity versus Phase Velocity.

For a relativistic matter wave, the phase velocity is vp=c2/vv_p=c^2/v, which can exceed cc, while the group velocity is exactly the particle's velocity vv. They are related by the identity vpvg=c2v_pv_g=c^2. Nothing observable moves at vpv_p, so relativity is untouched. The derivation from E2=(pc)2+(mc2)2E^2 = (pc)^2 + (mc^2)^2, and the numbers for a real relativistic electron, are owned by Group Velocity versus Phase Velocity.

When the crests outrun the group

Quantum mechanics gives the envelope the lead. It is worth seeing one world where the ranking flips, both because you can watch it from any beach and because it kills the temptation to think vg>vpv_g > v_p is a law of nature.

Go deeper · Derivation C · 1 minDeep water — the world where the envelope trails its own crests
Derivation CDeep water — the world where the envelope trails its own crests

We compute both velocities for gravity waves on deep water, whose dispersion relation is ω=gk\omega=\sqrt{gk}, and find the opposite ordering from matter waves: the group travels at half the crest speed. The point of the exercise is structural — the ratio vg/vpv_g/v_p is determined by how ω\omega scales with kk, and a square-root law gives the opposite ordering from a square law. This simple dispersion picture also helps explain why different wavelengths in a storm swell can arrive at different times.

Step 1. Phase velocity:

vp=ωk=gkv_p = \frac{\omega}{k} = \sqrt{\frac{g}{k}}

Why long swells are fast: vpv_p grows as kk shrinks — hundred-metre storm swells travel much faster than wind chop, which is why the sea's longest wavelengths arrive first as a storm's early messenger.

Step 2. Group velocity:

vg=dωdk=12gk=vp2v_g = \frac{d\omega}{dk} = \frac{1}{2}\sqrt{\frac{g}{k}} = \frac{v_p}{2}

Why the halving: differentiating k1/2k^{1/2} pulls down the exponent 12\tfrac{1}{2}, exactly as differentiating the matter wave's k2k^2 pulled down a 2. Power law in, velocity ratio out: ω∝ks\omega \propto k^s gives vg=s vpv_g = s\,v_p in general — s=2s = 2 for matter waves, s=1s = 1 for light, s=12s = \tfrac{1}{2} for deep water.

Step 3. Watch it on the water. A group of swells arrives; the crest you track appears at the front of the group, slides backward relative to the group as the group advances, and vanishes at the rear — the exact time-reverse of the matter-wave movie, where crests are born at the back and die at the front.

Limiting cases

caseresultmeaning
ω∝k\omega \propto k (light in vacuum, ideal string)vg=vpv_g = v_pstraight-line dispersion: chord and tangent coincide, packets translate rigidly, no beats between the speeds
ω∝k2\omega \propto k^2 (free matter wave)vg=2vpv_g = 2v_pthe envelope outruns its crests; the particle moves classically at p/mp/m while the crests move at half that speed
ω∝k\omega \propto \sqrt{k} (deep-water gravity waves)vg=vp/2v_g = v_p/2the mirror world: crests outrun the group — watch any ocean swell set do it
Δk→0\Delta k \to 0 (two-wave beat)Δω/Δk→dω/dk\Delta\omega/\Delta k \to d\omega/dkthe discrete beat velocity converges to the derivative; for quadratic ω(k)\omega(k) it already equals vg(kˉ)v_g(\bar{k}) exactly
relativistic matter wavevp=c2/v>cv_p = c^2/v > c, vg=v<cv_g = v < ccrests outrun light, probability does not; derivation owned by Group Velocity versus Phase Velocity

Worked examples

Example 1 — the two speeds of a 100 eV electron beam (confidence builder). A cathode-ray beam accelerates electrons through 100 V, the beam used in Probability Current and the Continuity Equation. Find kk, λ\lambda, and both velocities.

Step 1. Classical speed from the kinetic energy: v=2E/m=2(100)(1.602×10−19)/(9.109×10−31)=5.93×106 m/sv = \sqrt{2E/m} = \sqrt{2(100)(1.602\times10^{-19})/(9.109\times10^{-31})} = \mathbf{5.93\times10^{6}\ \text{m/s}} — about 2% of cc, safely nonrelativistic.

Step 2. Wavenumber and wavelength: k=mv/ℏ=(9.109×10−31)(5.93×106)/(1.055×10−34)=5.12×1010 m−1k=mv/\hbar=(9.109\times10^{-31})(5.93\times10^6)/(1.055\times10^{-34})=5.12\times10^{10}\,\mathrm{m}^{-1}, so λ=2π/k=0.123 nm\lambda=2\pi/k=0.123\,\mathrm{nm} — an atomic-scale wavelength, which is why such electron beams can diffract from crystals.

Step 3. Group velocity: vg=ℏk/m=5.93×106 m/sv_g=\hbar k/m=5.93\times10^6\,\mathrm{m/s} — identical to the classical particle speed from Step 1, as the derivation predicted. For a narrow-band wave packet, its arrival time is governed by this group velocity.

Step 4. Phase velocity: vp=ℏk/2m=2.97×106 m/sv_p=\hbar k/2m=2.97\times10^6\,\mathrm{m/s}. This phase velocity does not describe the propagation of the localized particle packet. Sanity check: 12mv2=E\tfrac12mv^2=E on the nose — the energy bookkeeping is consistent with the group velocity as well.

Example 2 — timing a storm by its swell (exam level, classical contrast). A weather buoy reports 100-metre-wavelength swell arriving from a storm 1000 km offshore. When did the storm generate it — and what error would you make by timing the crests?

Step 1. Wavenumber: k=2π/λ=2π/100=0.0628 m−1k = 2\pi/\lambda = 2\pi/100 = \mathbf{0.0628\ \text{m}^{-1}}.

Step 2. Frequency and period from deep-water dispersion: ω=gk=(9.81)(0.0628)=0.785 s−1\omega = \sqrt{gk} = \sqrt{(9.81)(0.0628)} = \mathbf{0.785\ \text{s}^{-1}}, so the period is T=2π/ω=8.0 sT = 2\pi/\omega = \mathbf{8.0\ \text{s}} — a classic long-period forerunner swell.

Step 3. The two speeds: vp=ω/k=12.5 m/sv_p = \omega/k = \mathbf{12.5\ \text{m/s}} for individual crests, but the swell energy travels at vg=vp/2=6.25 m/sv_g = v_p/2 = \mathbf{6.25\ \text{m/s}}.

Step 4. Travel time: t=(106 m)/(6.25 m/s)=1.6×105 s≈44 hourst=(10^6\,\mathrm{m})/(6.25\,\mathrm{m/s})=1.6\times10^5\,\mathrm{s}\approx44\,\mathrm{hours}. Timing the individual crests instead would give about 22 hours — a factor-of-two error, the deep-water counterpart of the factor-of-two velocity difference for a nonrelativistic matter wave. Surf forecasters live by the group velocity for exactly the reason quantum mechanics does: energy arrives with the envelope.

Origins · 1 minWilliam Rowan Hamilton and how this was discovered
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William Rowan Hamilton
1805–1865 · Trinity College Dublin and Dunsink Observatory

The group-velocity idea is a generation older than the name. In 1839, in two short papers to the Royal Irish Academy on "the propagation of vibration in crystallized media," Hamilton analyzed how a disturbance built from many vibrations travels, and found that the speed of the vibration pattern differs from the speed of propagation of the disturbance as a whole — the first clear separation of what we now call phase and group velocity. It was a characteristic Hamilton move: five years earlier his mathematical optics had predicted conical refraction, a wholly unanticipated behaviour of light in biaxial crystals, confirmed within months by his colleague Humphrey Lloyd and celebrated across Europe. But the vibration papers sank almost without trace; the distinction had to be rediscovered by Stokes, who set it as a Cambridge exam problem, and codified by Rayleigh in his Theory of Sound. Hamilton never knew that the derivative he isolated would, ninety years later, be the exact statement rescuing de Broglie's matter waves — the particle rides at dω/dkd\omega/dk. His wave work here is distinct from the mechanics that bears his name; that story belongs to the mechanics track.

History
1839
— Hamilton's Royal Irish Academy papers separate the speed of a vibration pattern from the speed of the travelling disturbance
1876
— Stokes sets the group-velocity distinction as a Smith's Prize examination problem at Cambridge
1877
— Rayleigh's Theory of Sound defines the group velocity dω/dk and applies it to real dispersive media
1924
— de Broglie's thesis attaches waves to matter; the superluminal phase velocity makes the group-velocity resolution essential
1926
— Schrödinger's equation fixes the matter-wave dispersion ω = ħk²/2m, making v_g = p/m a theorem
1999
— Hau's group slows a light pulse's group velocity to 17 m/s in an ultracold atomic gas, bicycle speed

Going further

References. Griffiths, Introduction to Quantum Mechanics, 3rd ed., Problem 2.43 and §2.4 (free particle and group velocity) · Shankar, Principles of Quantum Mechanics, 2nd ed., Ch. 5 (wave packets, Gaussian spreading) · Cohen-Tannoudji, Quantum Mechanics, Vol. 1, Complement G_I (free wave packet) · Sakurai & Napolitano, Modern Quantum Mechanics, 2nd ed., §2.4 · Townsend, A Modern Approach to Quantum Mechanics, 2nd ed., Ch. 6 Key results in this article: the two-wave factorization gives envelope speed Δω/Δk\Delta\omega/\Delta k; substituting ei(kx−ωt)e^{i(kx-\omega t)} into the free TDSE recovers ω=ℏk2/2m\omega = \hbar k^2/2m; from this, vp=ℏk/2mv_p = \hbar k/2m and vg=ℏk/mv_g = \hbar k/m. For a 100 eV electron: vg=5.93×106v_g = 5.93\times10^6 m/s, λ=0.123\lambda = 0.123 nm. For a 100 m ocean swell: vp=12.5v_p = 12.5 m/s, vg=6.25v_g = 6.25 m/s, travel time 44.4 h from 1000 km. For quadratic dispersion the beat envelope speed is exactly Δω/Δk=ℏ(k1+k2)/2m\Delta\omega/\Delta k = \hbar(k_1+k_2)/2m, with no approximation.

Builds on: de Broglie Matter Waves · Wave–Particle Duality · The Wavefunction

Leads to: The Time-Dependent Schrödinger Equation · Born's Statistical Interpretation · Probability Density and Normalization

If nothing moves at the phase velocity, why does quantum mechanics keep it around at all?

Because the packet is built from components, and each component's phase evolves at its own v_p = ω/k. You cannot compute the envelope's motion, its spreading, or any interference effect without tracking those individual phases — the group velocity itself is defined by how they differ across the band. v_p is indispensable bookkeeping for the parts even though it is not the velocity of the whole.

Which velocity does a real detector actually measure?

The group velocity, always. A detector responds to probability density arriving at its location — the envelope. Time-of-flight measurements on electrons, neutrons, and molecules all confirm arrival at v_g = p/m. There is no experiment whose outcome depends on v_p directly; it enters only through phase differences between components, which is again group-velocity physics.

Why exactly a factor of two for matter waves — is something deep hiding in it?

It is the exponent of the dispersion law, nothing more mysterious. For any power law ω ∝ kˢ, differentiating gives v_g = s·v_p. Matter waves have s = 2 because kinetic energy is quadratic in momentum, so v_g = 2v_p; deep water has s = ½, so v_g = v_p/2. The "deep" content is that only ω-differences are observable — the absolute frequency, like the zero of energy, is convention. That subtlety is worked through in Group Velocity versus Phase Velocity.

Can the group velocity ever exceed c?

Yes — in anomalously dispersive optical media the envelope peak of a smooth pulse can move faster than c, or even backward. No signal does, because such media only reshape the pulse: the earliest possible arrival of new information (the front) still travels at c. For free matter waves the issue never arises: v_g = p/m < c always. The lesson stands: when velocities multiply, ask which feature of the wave each one describes.

A wave packet contains many wavenumbers. The group velocity at which k should I use?

The central one, k₀, provided the packet is narrow in k — then all components share nearly the same dω/dk and the envelope translates rigidly at v_g(k₀). If the packet is broad in k, different parts of it move at different group velocities and the very notion of "the packet's speed" blurs as the packet spreads. That regime is the subject of Wave Packet Spreading and Dispersion.

How does v_g = p/m connect to Ehrenfest's theorem?

They are the same statement in two languages. The beat/envelope argument says the interference pattern peaks where components agree in phase, and that point moves at dω/dk = ħk₀/m. The operator argument in Momentum Operator proves d⟨x⟩/dt = ⟨p⟩/m for any state, no packet approximation needed. For a narrow packet ⟨p⟩ = ħk₀, and the two results coincide exactly.

Do sound waves in air have different phase and group velocities?

Essentially no — over the audible range, air is very nearly non-dispersive: ω ≈ (343 m/s)·k, a straight line, so v_g ≈ v_p. That is why music arrives intact: if air had matter-wave-strength dispersion, a chord's frequencies would arrive at different times and melt into noise. Dispersion is the exception you must earn — vacuum light has none, air sound almost none, matter waves always.

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